FILTH IN SONGS

[shyamwestwind]

I wonder what is in the minds of the people who write and sing songs with absolute filth in them. Perverts who want to rub their perversion on the rest of the world.
The English language is so beautifuil, so full of energy, so mystical and all we need to do is to discover the right words to describe what we feel, and weave a tapestry full of emotions, whatever they may be.
We dont need to search in the filth.
Today, its "HEP" to use bad language.Sex means perversion and women are treated like dirt.
To me, a woman means LIFE. She is the "bringer" of life, an angel who nurtures the human existence, sacrifices her every atom for the earth. We deserve to die if we insult them.
I guess there is no way we can stop these filthy recordings, but we can stop buying them and create awareness to do so..

[gspro]

I'm with you on this one.

[shyamwestwind]

I'm glad you agree, gspro . Not much response to this thread and I wonder why. It would be nice to get some opinions and we could all agree to do something about it, if we can.

[rosybud1956]

I agree with you Shyam. I detest bad language as I heard too much of it in my childhood days. It really makes my hair stand on end. Bad language is for people with poor vocabulary.
Regards Lyn

[gspro]

Yes, I wonder why too.
I'm not a song writer, just not gifted that way but I'm a firm believer that a good song don't have to have lyrics loaded with profanity in it. It is absolutely uncalled for. Than again take Elvis for exemple, I'm a great, great fan of this man and back in those days you were not allowed to say certain things but, if those things were worded in a different way by meaning of insinuation, it was OK, it was more politically correct.
See, we live in a cruel world these days. Take a look at the new children, see how fast they are growing. Yes, we parents try to teach them the good matters and the media brainwashes them. If we spank them, by the time they are six or seven they already know the answer: " you touch me and I'll call the police ". Do you want me to go on? This can be a very touchy subject to talk about.
But, I'm glad that I'm not alone on this.

Peace my friend

[blonaybear]

It's not only the songs but the artists when they talk. At last weeks Live Earth concert from Wembley the f... word was used 5 times by artists on the TV transmission. Great example to the kids !

[rogerb]

How can I say this without sounding like a racist (which I am definitely not). In my opinion a lot of the bad language so prevalent in pop lyrics and culture has sprung from the foul mouthed gangster rappers. I wrote to my local radio station (in Cyprus) to complain about lyrics such as "mother f***er" being broadcast on the breakfast show when presumably a large percentage of the audience could be children. Their response was far from satisfactory and it's still happening. If we have national broadcasters pumping out this muck it's no wonder one hears small children repeating it. Just my view guys I wonder if anyone agrees.

[pdiroma]

I live in the Tampa Bay area of Florida, we don't hear the filthy language on the the public airways. However, all the nasty language is on the satillite stations. What's the diff......

[shyamwestwind]

Its time for the Governments to act - threaten to ban and block radio stations that broadcast this profanity, If they can do something NOW, maybe there could be a saner, cleaner tomorrow.
All this is far more dangerous and detrimental to mental and social health than smoking.!!
Lets ask our members of parliament to start a debate on this and hope for some action to be taken
In the meanwhile, let us musicians pass the good message wherever we go , maybe make up a song to get it across more effectively - LET'S START SOMETHING !!!

[muso]

Quote from shyamwestwind.
To me, a woman means LIFE. She is the "bringer" of life, an angel who nurtures the human existence, sacrifices her every atom for the earth. We deserve to die if we insult them.

Surely you're not talking about the binge drinking, foul mouthed, groups of women flashing all their private parts down any high street as they fall out of pubs and clubs all over England are you?

As for filth in songs I agree there's no need for it but while most of the pop acts kids of today follow are using it in all their hits you are not going to stop it, it will only get worse.
About three years ago the number one song was Eamon F*** It
and a few weeks later the unfortunate woman he sang about Frankee responded with her own song F*** You Right Back. again it hit the top of the charts. While money is to be made selling this rubbish you will never stop it.
Have you tried listening to popular radio these days, some of the songs have so many blanks where the swearing has been removed that you can't get an idea of the melody.

[weegeo]

To me, a woman means LIFE. She is the "bringer" of life, an angel who nurtures the human existence, sacrifices her every atom for the earth. We deserve to die if we insult them.

In an ideal world this would be the correct thinking but alas we`re not so i`m afraid that what we have today is the direct slide of discipline being given to children [now i don`t often get on a soapbox]this is a pet hate of mine when i was at school[and that wasn`t yesterday lol lol]we would get hammered by our teacher if we `acted`up if when i got i home i told my dad the teacher caned me he would have hammered me again for bringing the family down.As a result i brought my children up the same way to respect their elders and to follow the code of discipline laid down at the time.Throughout the 60`s and most of the 70`s swearing on stage was almost unheard of but as discipline standards dropped and the liberal minded people started to move on the majority so new laws were passed thru parliament thus opening the door to all sorts of nonsense eg:teachers could no longer cane pupils,teachers could no longer expel pupils so the mix was set and children started to use this to their advantage likewise underage sex and drinking became more prevalent resulting in an explosion of new borns all this lead up to the situation we now find ourselves in with regards to music and filth unfortunately it`s how it is now and we won`t be able to stop it we made a rod for our own backs and now we`re hitting ourselves with it

This is weegeo signing off and stepping of his soapbox now

[shyamwestwind]

Hi Muso
Remember the song "We are the World" which was done for the famine affected children of Ethiopia ? There were many songs composed for many worthy causes and all of them drove home the message they wrote about.
Cant we musicians in this Forum, compose a song , together and bring out the message to urge people to sing clean and not bring in filth to our music ?
Maybe, we can create a POWERFUL MESSAGE and we could be heard and maybe, it'll make a difference ! We can atleast try!!!
Muso, I feel saddened to think you are upset by " the binge drinking, foul mouthed, groups of women flashing all their private parts down any high street as they fall out of pubs and clubs all over England " Yes you and I have every reason to be upset, but do ponder about the circumstances that would have led these hapless women to act this way . I am sure they wre led to these alleys because of violence at homes, lack of love, poverty, etc etc etc.
If we condemn them and leave them to continue where they are, then we do not deserve an opinion. If we understood their reasons and sympathise with that, we could help them get back to where they would want to belong, with us, in a supposedly cleaner world.
Likewise, we need to DO SOMETHING about the profanity used in our music and not just sit back and watch the filth fly by.
Weegeo, we need to awaken to the threat. Lets join together and get heard !!!

[shyamwestwind]

HI EVERYONE
I thought I'd start a new thread, but it's the same subject "filth in songs" so its better right here.
I am sure all of you agree that we need to clean the system and object to the kind of filth that is being injected to music nowadays. We need to get a powerful message to the world and make them react to this insurgency . If we do something about it now, we can hope for a cleaner future for our grandchildren!
Music is the most powerful medium of suggestion , and if we sit back and watch the filth fly by, we have ourselves to blame for the damage thats being done to our future generations.
As musicians, we can mould the thinking of sewnsitive minds. The present generation is a music oriented generation and we have the responsibility as "clean thinking musicians" to stem the rot that is being injected into this generation.
LET US COMPOSE A SONG PUT IT TO MUSIC. PUT IN ALL OUR INPUTS AND COME UP WITH A MASTER COPY TO PRESENT TO THE WORLD.
I request Glenn and Pat to help open a separate section to accept newly composed lyrics for this POWERFUL SONG . We could then ask the top musicians amongst us to arrange the music and create THE SONG THAT WILL MAKE THE DIFFERENCE.
THINK POSITIVE GUYS AND GALS !!!! WE CAN DO IT !!!

[weegeo]

I am sure they wre led to these alleys because of violence at homes, lack of love, poverty, etc etc etc.

My friend Shyam i`m afraid that you don`t quite understand the drink culture here in our part of the world!!!!! the VAST majority of these girls[and fella`s]do it because they can afford to not thru some pressure from home This is the drink culture gone mad and no matter what we try to do nothing will change it,you have such pleasant ideals and i applaud you for them but it will take much more than a song to change how the kids are now `doing their thing`we let it get this far [as i said earlier]by letting the liberals dictate to us and now it`s to late to respond i`m sorry i can`t be more positive than this but once again i applaud your ideals and wish you well

[shyamwestwind]

Weegeo, I can understand why you feel this way, but ....PLEASE dont give up. !!! We NEED YOUR TALENT . Please do read the thread about the GOODNESS SONG and p l e a s e input your talent . SMILE . THERE IS HOPE !!!!!

[dingadong04]

i have read this post with great intrest and i am trying to get my head around wat is going on ..
censorship ..smacking of children ..blame it on the black rap artists..so lets write a song and do our bit

sorry ..but every day of my life from 16 years old i have tried to make a difference and change the world .. not the whole big world ..but the wee small world of those un.newsworthy stories of those people..who can,t be heard and turn to drink and drugs and who find it hard to cope in this life some of them thru music tell their story and in their own words shall we ban them and remove ann outlet ..those who have been disiplined ( Smacked like in the good old days ) so much that they have become suicidal they turn to music and tell their story shall we ban them ... and as for rap music ..johnny rotten was swearing on tv and in songs long before rap and the likes of bernard manning and a load of other comics have been using filth in their acts when most of todays youth were just a twinkle.. so cud some one list all the words that they would like to be banned will we burn the dictionary? cos i,m sure there are some words in there that could well be filthy when does it stop and who decides what we are and are not allowed to listen to .. i swear not all the time but i swear does that make me a bad person ....if you you search in filth you, will find it ..i try and see the beauty and wonder in every day and in everybody i don. t feel the need to ban , smack or blame anyone ..to make me feel as if i,m changing or playing a part in some sort of morale crusade this is just my wee tuppence worth for now

all the best

[shyamwestwind]

dingadong you are talking about peole giving vent to their feelings, people finding an outlet to their fears and frustrations. All this through music ? Well,. I guess that is a medium to use to help one feel better by releasing their anger and frustration. No one can stop that., I agree. I also swear(though not a lot) but I dont swear in a language that hurts. I dont call people's fathers and mothers names , and I certainly do not use any abusive language in front of children.
What we are referring to, is using bad language in a song because they feel its the "IN" thing to do, because they want to make it a fad a sort of style. They want to make bad language socially acceptable. That is an IMMORAL CRUSADE, dear friend.
You are definitely entitled to your opinion, dingadong but do ponder about what will happen to our future generation..
I am not a preacher, friend , but I feel strongly saddened by this impulsive use of bad language in songs and I am entitled to my opinion too and happy to know that many share my sadness.
Let us agree, please !!

[themd21]

Hi Shyam
I don't disagree with your generalization,just your approach.
Maybe its a cultural or national thing.
In fact I remember my grandfather, ( and Cubb may recognize this Belfast phrase), I remember my Granada "emptied" a guy for swearing in front of my grandmother! Big Time!
Since then times have changed , moved on.
Swearing, especially among the young is the norm.
I don't agree with it and don't as a rule accept it.
But swearing is acceptable, rightly or wrongly,in all forms of media from television, stage,the internet and in music.
Censorship of the arts never has been and never will be an acceptable alternative.
Things that will be in some parts of Gods Earth will not come to pass in others. Que Sera, Sera

[shyamwestwind]

Jimmy, I guess its true. In our part of the world, things are not as bad as in others. Our music, in all the various languages that we have here, do not have any filthy words at all and I hope it will never ever change. Most or all of the filth in songs are "imported". I guess I feel this uneasiness because I sing Western songs and cant help feel queasy about how its affecting our young generation. Do we HAVE to accept this social sickness ?
Its just a debate, Jimmy and I hope I'm not seen as a know all and preacher. I'm just a mere mortal, hurt and upset at whats happening around us.

[taperboy]

HAS ANYONE NOTICE THAT THESE DAYS, EVERYTHING BAD IS GOOD AND EVERYTHING GOOD IS BAD? THIS FILTH IN SONGS IS NOT ONLY IN RAP, BUT IN COUNTRY, BLUES, AND R&B. IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S NOT JUST BLACK MUSIC, EXAMPLE M&M AND OTHER WHITE RAPPERS. I KNOW MOST PEOPLE THINK ALL BLACK DON'T CARE, BUT A LOT OF US DO. I HATE STOPPING AT A RED LIGHT AND THE CAR NEXT TO ME HAS MUSIC BLASTING MF'S, SOB, B*TCH, AND OTHER FILTH. ALSO WHAT'S REALLY BOTHERS ME IS HOW WOMEN CAN GET UP AND DANCE, AND SING THE WORDS TO A SONG THAT CALLING THEM B*ITCHES AND prostituteS. THEN WE HAVE KIDS REPEATING THE LYRICS EVERYDAY. I REALLY THINK THE GOVERMENT MUST NOT THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT BECAUSE IF THEY DID, THEY'D HAVE DONE SOMETHING ABOUT IT. I ALSO THINK IF THE PEOPLE, THAT ARE REALLY CONCERNED, FORMED A GROUP TO STOP IT, BECAUSE I BELEIVE THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T LIKE IT ARE THE MAJORITY, WE COULD MAKE CONGRESS LISTEN TO CHANGE THE LAW TO STOP IT, NOT JUST LABELING IT, BUT TAKING IT OFF THE AIRWAVES. NOW I'M NOT AGAINST FREE SPEECH, BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE LIMITS TO THE TYPE OF SPEECH THAT GOES OUT ON PUBLIC AIRWAVES. AND IT'S BEEN SAID THAT THE MAJORITY RULES. SO MAYBE WE NEED TO STOP TALKING ABOUT IT, AND START DOING SOMETHING. CAUSE IF THIS KEEPS UP, WE'RE GOING DOWN FARTHER THAN WE ALREADY ARE. I SAY "TO HELL WITH THE ACLU" HELPING TO DESTROY OUR KIDS MINDS BY ENABLING THIS FILTH TO BE CARRIED OVER PUBLIE AIRWAVES BECAUSE OF FREEDOM OF SPEECH. WHAT YOU CAN SAY IN PRIVATE OR ON THE STREET, AND WHAT YOU CAN SAY ON OUR PUBLIC AIRWAVES ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. AND THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT WONDER THE KIDS AND TEENS OF TODAY HAVE THE MINDS THEY DO. ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS LISTEN TO THE LYRICS THEY HEAR EVERYDAY.