FILTH IN SONGS

[shyamwestwind]

Very well said taperboy - as you said there'll be definitely a majority that dont like this filth. If public opinion could be aroused to influence the Congress to take action now, I'm sure they'll listen.
By the way, let me make it very clear that I have never insinuated about any race or religion propogating this filth. Its in the mind of perverted beings and this perversion is not coloured white,black, brown or yellow.
Yes, taperboy, your observation of women accepting abuses and losing every thread of decency, is, I am sad to say, true, but then again, lets not abandon these misled people too. I am absolutely certain they are good people who have just been led astray.
We should believe in ourselves and believe that we can ignite atleast a wee spark in the consciences of these prodigals. They will return home, but to make it happen we need to have the support of everyone, especially the Government.

[shyamwestwind]

By the way, taperboy, what does "aclu" mean ? I havent come across tis word.

[weegeo]

NOW I'M NOT AGAINST FREE SPEECH, BUT

Now then here`s a contradication in terms if you had said NOW I'M NOT AGAINST FREE SPEECH and left out the but then your comments would have been more to the point.I`m sorry but ppl are going to swear thats their right [but it doesn`t make it right]My friend Shyam`s ideals are very high and once again i applaud him for that but [here`s the but again lol lol]you can`t censor a persons vocabulary it`s that simple This thread has generated a lot of thought and thats great it`s great for our forum as well it shows that we do read it

Weegeo news at ten lol lol lol

[dingadong04]

Hi ya shyamwestwind ye have got a great wee discussion going on .. the very fact that we are sitting in two different parts of this wee world it,s great that we can have this debate.. we won,t always agree ..but at least we are all talking ..so heres my question
i would still like a list of songs , singers groups , lyrics.. words .. anything that backs up this post ..please tell me the people that are causing all these problems..that are causing so much hurt to a generation of young people ..c.mon if somebody was causing me all this anger.. i would be able to pinpoint them.. at at least give me a top ten ..cos you are asking for agreement but i don,t know who against ..Filth can be anything ..your opinion is not mine .. mine is not somebody else,s .. etc etc..but there must be something that triggered this debate..

cubb

[shyamwestwind]

YES Cubb, its time to release the TOP TEN and yes, you're right its time to pinpoint the offenders. You;ll have my top ten within the hour, and in the meanwhile, it would be nice if others in the forum would send in their lists too.
Yeah,NOW, things are beginning to move !!!

[shyamwestwind]

Tubbs, heres 13 of them and you wont believe it there are millions of them in circulation.

FILTHY GORGEOUS – SCISSOR SISTERS
OPEN MIC - EMINEM
LOW DOWN DIRTY – EMINEM
JUST DON’T GIVE A F**K – EMINEM
CUM ON EVERYBODY – EMINEM
STAR 69—FAT BOY SLIM
F**K THEM ALL – 2PAC
NEVER CALL YOU A B****H AGAIN – 2PAC
MY HUMPS – BLACK EYED PEAS
COO COO CA CHOO – BLOODHOUND GANG
KISS ME WHERE IT SMELLS FUNNY – BLOODHOUND GANG
I DON’T WANT YOU BACK – EAMON
F.U.R.B. - FRANKEE

These were from some of the stuff being played by the kids !!! I'd heard these and revolted as I was, I wrote noted the lyrics and searched the net for them !!
Please google for the lyrics to the ones I've sent you and you'll be opening a hornet's nest!!!
As you are aware EMINEM is very popular among the generation today - check out his songs !!
Tubbs, do take a little time to get these lyrics and listen to them - they are blared at every party , at every disc, near me and you, all over the world, and kids are singing them .

Can we let this be

Lets have the Top Thirteens from others too.

P O N D E R !!!!

[gibbo]

Shyam,
I've been watching this thread unfold and I applaud your efforts but I think you're really swimming against the tide. It has been flowing out for a loooong time.
Stand-up Comedian, Lenny Bruce, was amongst the first to use the F-word repeatedly on stage, he was tried and found guilty of obscenity in the 60s and later pardoned posthumously; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenny_Bruce
Lenny Bruce was arrested here in Australia in the 60s for using the F-word in his show... nowadays it's hard to find a comedian here who doesn't use it!
Performing artistes have followed suit to some degree. I think it's more a reflection on society than individual artists. We live in a "spectator society" where many seek their "fulfillment" from watching and listening to the antics of others (hence the huge reality-TV boom, tabloid popularity and paparazzi-plague etc). Society is obviously rewarding the perpetrators!
If you're truly offended by this element, I'm afraid the only effective action is to ignore and shun them; don't buy their products, don't go to their shows, turn off etc.
The idea of censorship and banning only leads to more interest in a spectator-ish society.
That's my 10 cents worth... just like "global-warming", we better learn to live with it.
Cheers, Dave.

[shyamwestwind]

Gibbo, I've been doing a lot of homework on the subject and I hope I wont land up being a spectator , watching the filth fly by, but you are right, Gibbo, this looks like a "battle" I wont win. The tide is away from people like us and I dread to think how the future will sound like.
No, I will not ignore or shun them nor will I turn off. I will continue doing what I've been doing fpr years now, asking friends around me not to use bad language . Today, most of them find it embarrassing to use this language in front of me and when they do so, thoughtlessly, they apologise!!! That does feel good.
I'm not a puritan and I do swear quite often, especially in traffic, but my swear words are restricted to "Bloody Fool", "Bum", "Swine" etc. The tone of my anger and the volume conveys the same effect as the other harsher words.
Even if nothing comes of this debate, I hope we can atleast, in our own separate ways, urge those around us to take it easy on the language and give the jaws a little rest from the foul
Shall we, atleast, try ?

[gibbo]

Shyam,
My thoughts above only relate to the subject of the thread ie: Filth In Songs.
I'm not talking about general conduct or swearing in conversation.
I'm definitely not referring to you as a spectator, performing artists and creative people are usually the exact opposite, and as I said in my opening comment, "I applaud your efforts".
Those who engage in discussions like this thread are participants, not spectators.
The spectator-ism I'm referring to is a general malaise amongst some members of society who get their stimulation from TV, tabloids, gossip etc. You know them by the fact that they seldom contribute anything in life, they just take whatever is on offer.
What I'm suggesting as effective action is actually the only way to combat this stuff in art, you have to simply ignore, shun and refuse to support it. (By "turn off" I mean turn off the radio/TV!)
For the most part "filth in songs" is all about creating attention and making money not corrupting kids, if there was little profit in it there'd be little marketing of it.
I agree with your other thoughts; foul language in conversation is abhorrent and I always let people know it's unacceptable, we each do what we can and hope to set a good example.
You have my good wishes for success, cheers, Dave.

[Tubbs]

Shyam, i think this thread was meant for someone else as i did,nt comment on this yet, but i sincerely applaud your efforts my friend!!!

shyamwestwind said:

Tubbs, heres 13 of them and you wont believe it there are millions of them in circulation.

FILTHY GORGEOUS – SCISSOR SISTERS
OPEN MIC - EMINEM
LOW DOWN DIRTY – EMINEM
JUST DON’T GIVE A F**K – EMINEM
CUM ON EVERYBODY – EMINEM
STAR 69—FAT BOY SLIM
F**K THEM ALL – 2PAC
NEVER CALL YOU A B****H AGAIN – 2PAC
MY HUMPS – BLACK EYED PEAS
COO COO CA CHOO – BLOODHOUND GANG
KISS ME WHERE IT SMELLS FUNNY – BLOODHOUND GANG
I DON’T WANT YOU BACK – EAMON
F.U.R.B. - FRANKEE

These were from some of the stuff being played by the kids !!! I'd heard these and revolted as I was, I wrote noted the lyrics and searched the net for them !!
Please google for the lyrics to the ones I've sent you and you'll be opening a hornet's nest!!!
As you are aware EMINEM is very popular among the generation today - check out his songs !!
Tubbs, do take a little time to get these lyrics and listen to them - they are blared at every party , at every disc, near me and you, all over the world, and kids are singing them .

Can we let this be

Lets have the Top Thirteens from others too.

P O N D E R !!!!

[shyamwestwind]

Sorry Tubbs, that was meant for Cubb (dingadong), but thanks for the support.

[shyamwestwind]

Dave (gibbo) ....... point well taken.- thanks for the support - lets see where this goes. In the meanwhile, I got the composition "The Goodness Song" ready but I need to record it decently and upload it. I wish I could get you guys to lend to it, like filling in with the lead etc. If not anything, atleast we would have made a song with contributions from musicians all over the globe. Amazing and heartening to know that it can be done.

[dingadong04]

Shyam as i said in my last post you have got a great debate going on ..you have raised awareness , encouraged debate , encouraged agreement and disagreement so fair play ta ya my friend ..im just in from gigging and winding down
so all the best fir nigh
godnight or mornin were ever ya are
im away ta me scratcher

PS ..Emptied ..luv,d that one Jimmy..lol

[shyamwestwind]

WELL SAID rtaper ....... we could atleast send joint petitions to our respective governments to take notice. Supoort is the need of the hour. If we have that, we could atlleast send the petitions through MidiMart . It'll be a good worthy cause and Gleen and Pat could add a stamp of authenticity if they organised the compilation of the petitions and have it presented.

[Emerald Midi]

All religious reference have been removed and this topic is once again open for discussion.

Please keep on topic.

[dingadong04]

Fair play ta yis

[Emerald Midi]

dingadong04 said:

Fair play ta yis

Why, thank you kind sir

[rtaper]

I MADE A POST TO EXPLAIN WHAT "ACLU" STANDS FOR, BUT IT WASN'T POSTED. I ALSO MADE A COMMIT ABOUT THE "N"WORD AND WAS TOLD I COULDN'T USE IT, EVEN THOUGH I'M A BLACK MAN. I WAS TRYING TO GET THE POINT ACROSS THAT IT SHOULD NEVER BE USED, WHETHER YOU'RE BLACK OR ANY COLOR. NOW, THE SAME WAY THIS BOARD DIDN'T LET ME USE IT HERE, DON'T YOU THINK THE GOV. CAN DO THE SAME THING ABOUT ANY MUSIC THAT HAS FILTH IN IT? I MEAN, I JUST TRIED TO WRITE IT AND IT WAS STOPPED. BUT AS LONG AS WE SIT AND NOT DO ANYTHING, IT'S GONNA GET WORSE. THIS IS SUPPOSE TO BE A GOV. FOR THE PEOPLE AND BY THE PEOPLE, SO WHEN ARE WE GOING TO START ASKING THE PEOPLE WE SEND TO OFFICE TO DO THE MAJORITY'S BIDDING, AND NOT THE MINORITY'S? I WOULDN'T KNOW HOW TO START THIS MOVEMENT, BUT IF SOMEONE ELSE DOES, OR SHOW ME HOW TO DO IT, COUNT ME IN! IT'S TIME FOR US TO GET MAD ENOUGH TO GET SOMETHING DONE. THEN WE CAN START ON MAKING YOUNG MEN PULL THEIR PANTS UPON THEIT BUTTS!

[thingyy]

Okay Pal we here ya.No need to shout.

[shyamwestwind]

rtaper , right yiou are, but friend I'm getting a bit confused about the reaction of most - theres a sorry state of lcomplacency now and most seem to feel its okay to let things go by, just watch silently. I'm not talking about our Forum - I get this kinda "dont care" attitude even from people I speak to here.
The English language is in the process of change and I',m told we should accept the change. It seems its a part of growth, a kind of evolution. I hear many scholars feel this way !!!!
I'm depressed.
Lets not talk about issues like saving the environment, air pollution etc etc etc. The world is being killed every second and we need the bad language to send it to oblivion.
I'm really sorry this thread hasnt gone far, not started any fire, and though closed once and re-opened, the energy seems to have been lost.
I guess I'll cry alone