midi file fade out

[keith]

hi there is there anyone who can explain to me how to get rid of those awful fade out on midi files .
i know someone has offered to do them , but i would like to attempt it myself first .
thanks very much keith.

[pmalcolm]

There are 3 basci ways of causing the fade outs. 1. The main volume control on each track is gradually lowered so the way round this is to delete all control change 7 messages from the start of the fade. 2. The expression control of each track is gradually lowered so delete all control change 11 messages after the start of the fade. 3. The individual note volumes are reduced and, sadly, there's no work around for this. You'd have to compose and add your own ending.

Hope this helps

PAUL

[thingyy]

Also never buy midi files from a company that uses fade outs.If they haven't enough musical skills to create an ending then give them a miss.

[pmalcolm]

thingyy said:

Also never buy midi files from a company that uses fade outs.If they haven't enough musical skills to create an ending then give them a miss.

Can't argue with that especially when I think of how many endings I have composed over the years!

[thingyy]

So, someone has to fix them to be able to be of stage use,or do you just stand there with a cheesy grin ?
How many of your files have been edited with a decent ending by others?

[thingyy]

Sorry my last post timed out on me.
A few years ago on a midi group a company posted demo files once a month.I bought 1 and it had a fade out ending "how many of your files have been edited with a decent ending by others?" was posted on the group lots of replies from others that edited them.
We were akll contacted by the company and given a couple of free files.
I have only found one other and that is the CM ones sold by BandTracks.
I guess Cat also must have fixed a few up in her time.

[oldsage]

the only problem with these professional tracks is i dont know if you are infringing on their copyrights if you try to alter them or give them a decent ending.our man glenn is the legal eagle in these matters i,m sure that he could shed some light on this

[JazzCat]

Yep, I've fixed up loads of them, and lots for MIDIMart members!

About Pro files, This, I can guarantee is correct and proper information:

Once you purchase a file you are allowed to edit it to your hearts content, for your own use only. This INCLUDES stage use. You just aren't supposed to give, sell, trade, or in any other way, transfer the file to any one else.

Before you read further, let me explain that I am a copyright reformist. I fight against extending copyrights. I fought against the Sony Bono act. I, like everyone else who's ever taped a record and given the tape to a friend, violate copyright law. And frankly, I'm so angry about extended copyright laws that I blatantly do what I'm not supposed to!

I also try to inform people on how to protect themselves from trouble for copyright violation. I also do my best to correct it when I see someone giving false (and dangerous) misinformation about copyright law.

If you want to know the REAL deal on copyright law I suggest you read on you own country's copyright offices website and also look into international copyright law. It is extremely complicated and very few really understand it and can correctly inform you of what is 'legal' and what is not.

Sorry to say but Glenn isn't what I'd consider a 'Legal Eagle' when it comes to understanding the complexities involved in MIDI file copyright. I have seen misinformation come from him but have not jumped up and corrected him because it would mean I would have to spend a load of time researching Brit copyright law so I could use the proper terminology and give British resources. Bottom line, when it comes to copyright law, you need to do the research yourself and learn it right.

When it comes to MIDI files there are a few things to keep in mind.
You also need to understand that a MIDI file is not exactly a separate entity from the original tune it is emulating. People seem to think of a song on a CD or an MP3 and a MIDI file differently, well they really aren't different except in a few minor ways.

If an original song is not in the public domain, neither is the MIDI file. If I tell you "I sequenced this file and all of you may have it and use it." That does not mean the SONG is in the public domain. For that MIDI to be 'legal' like the pro files for sale, I would have first had to purchase a Mechanical License. That gives me permission to sequence the song. I then own the copyright to that sequence. NOT the song, but the sequence.

This is the same license I would have to buy if I wanted to do a cover of the song to put on my latest CD. Getting confusing? Not if you think of me recording both of them. Basically I have bought permission to do a cover of the tune. The only difference is one's MIDI the other's audio.

OK. Enough on copyrights for now. (Terms used, like Mechanical Licence, are USA copyright law terms. I don't know if the same terms apply in the UK but, I would assume so as the UK follows international copyright laws.)
Cat >^..^<

[JazzCat]

Keith,
I will also be happy to teach you how to do it. Just one bug. You'd need to use the program I use so I can teach you! I can possibly supply that to you as well. It takes some time to learn because each file presents a different set of problems. Not every fade is the same. There's even more to it than Paul mentioned.

If you are interested in learning please contact me personally off the forum at [e-mail]
Cat >^..^<

[midimart]

Yes you are right Cat.... I'm no legal eagle, I wouldn't be sitting here doing this if I was, I'd be out there earning BIG bucks.

On my section concerning copyright Click Here

Just a quote from our copyright page.

PLEASE NOTE: the following information on copyright is intended as a general guide only. This material is not intended to constitute legal advice and should not be relied on as such. The Alliance, on behalf of itself and MCPS and PRS excludes any responsibility or liability for reliance on this information.

And a quote from our licence.

3. USAGE -The Material can be used and adapted for your personal use. This includes the rights for you to use the Material as backing material for live performances. You can use the Material to create audio products (CD, MD, Tapes etc), for sale at venues and for demonstration material provided that no more than 1,000 units are manufactured in a single one year period and that all the products contain live singing which would render them useless as a "Karaoke" (Backing track) product. Note - If you intend selling tapes at venues an additional licence will be required from the original copyright holder or from their official representatives M.C.P.S. and P.R.S. You may record the Material without live vocal parts onto digital audio tape (D.A.T.) or Mini Disc provided that tape is used only for rehearsals and live performances.

to read our complete licence, please Click Here

[oldsage]

hi once again i use evolution sound studio pro2.with this prog i can enter the events list for any track go to the end where the volume commands are entered to decrease the volume and just delete them.when you have done all the tracks that need it your file is back to normal.you will then have to sort out a suitable ending.you may be able to do the same in synthfont,i haven,t tried this yet.