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Post by shyamwestwind on May 30, 2007 10:55:34 GMT
Hi
I know that I can get harmony effects on my voacals by playing the right chords while playing back a Midi, but I've been told that these chords can be introduced or input inthe midis so that I get the harmony vocal effect efects without havibg to actuially play the chords
Any advice ?
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Post by Steptoe on May 30, 2007 12:38:50 GMT
Doesn't this kind of contradict your post about relying on backing tracks?  |
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Post by Tone_Deff (Musicmaker) on May 30, 2007 14:05:14 GMT
You cannot controlthe voice harmoniser in any other manner than by left hand chords, either in the 3000, 9000 or either of the Tyros.
Playing .mids uses different circuitry (actually it is a midi player in the keyboards computer).
Regards,
Tony
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Post by shyamwestwind on May 30, 2007 20:35:38 GMT
John, John, John, you really seem to have misunderstood what I said . I was referring to people who DO NOT PLAY ALONG with their backing machines. I note that most of us DO PLAY GUITAR OR KEYBOARDS OR SOME MUSICAL INSTRUMENT, with the backing tracks. This is what I do too - I play the chords or play the melody or just add on fill ins.
I was referring to those who just operate these karaoke machines or CD players or whatever and just stand there singing.
As for the Harmony tracks, if it could be input into the Midis to trigger the harmony feature it would be interesting to use occassionally, BUT I WOULD STILL BE PLAYING THE KEYBOARD TO DO WHAT I WANT TO.
I hope I have cleared up any misunderstanding. Can we please move on ?
Smile, John, we are still friends, arent we ?
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Post by shyamwestwind on May 30, 2007 20:40:39 GMT
Sorry Tony, but thanks for the info. You definitelly are an authority and I'm happy to get your advice. Well, left hand it'll be !!! Actually I dont care much for the synthesised texture of the vocal harmonies in these keyboards and it sound awful when the harmonics interfere.Theres nothing to beat a mate singing harmony with you.
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Post by Steptoe on May 31, 2007 0:40:57 GMT
Of course we are still friends Shyam, I was just having a little dig at you, hence the winks at the end of my post  |
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Post by shyamwestwind on May 31, 2007 6:11:26 GMT
Thanks John ..... I was kinda upset and worried actually.
P E A C E Brother !!!! (as the injuns would say )
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Post by thingyy on May 31, 2007 8:30:01 GMT
So get a Voiceworks
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Post by arman on May 31, 2007 13:30:21 GMT
You cannot controlthe voice harmoniser in any other manner than by left hand chords, either in the 3000, 9000 or either of the Tyros. Playing .mids uses different circuitry (actually it is a midi player in the keyboards computer). Regards, Tony I'm not sure about this Tony - the Tyros manual details the various Vocal Harmany Modes and for CHORDAL it says "The harmany notes are determined by.... chords contained in the song (midi) data for controlling the harmony. (Not avaiable if the song does not contain any chord data). For VOCORDER mode "The harmanoy notes are determined by the notes you play on the keyboard and/or song data" Setting the chord type to a midi channel 1-16 , then chords are detected from note data in the specified midi channel I have never used this feature but it does seem to indicate that vocal harmony control can be achieved from a midi, - but I may be wrong!! Mike |
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Post by shyamwestwind on Jun 1, 2007 11:19:32 GMT
Mike, thats what I heard too but it seems no one has actually tried it.
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Post by Tone_Deff (Musicmaker) on Jun 2, 2007 14:16:32 GMT
I have tried it on both 9000 and 9000 Pro, as well as T1. Never got anywhere! I would be really interested in your findings if you research the matter further. However, Mike (above and I are members of another Forum that has a Yamaha employee on it, who is a 'Techie' and Demonstrator, so I will post in there and see what response there iks, and get back to you!
Kind regards,
Tony
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Post by Tone_Deff (Musicmaker) on Jun 2, 2007 16:54:20 GMT
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Post by Tone_Deff (Musicmaker) on Jun 3, 2007 9:17:22 GMT
In amongst posts to my question, on two different Yamaha Forums, I got the following responses, which will give you the answers. I was obviously wrong!
1. Yes, you can record a midifile and hit "Play" and do a vocal without having to play the chords or left hand on your Keyboard while the midifile is playing.
Create the registrations for a song by saving as many registration changes as you want in "Registration Memory". Set the volumes and panning balanced like you want them.
Turn on the Vocal Harmony and pick the kind of harmony voice you want, balance it, and set the microphone volume at around 105 or 110. Harmony voice changes can be saved on as many Registration Memory buttons as you want.
Save the above in your KB registration folder and title the registration with the title of the song.
Play the song "live" and save it. Multi-track afterwards if you so desire and balance everything to your liking. The Vocal Harmony settings will already be saved in the midifile and on the Registration Memory buttons you selected.
Plug in your microphone and hit the "Mixing Console" button and listen to your midifile. Lower "Song" down until you hear your microphone vocal harmony well balanced to your liking. Save those settings on the Registration Memory buttons where you saved the vocal harmony registration(s).
Now...when you hit the Registration for the title of the song you recorded, the 1 - 8 registration memory buttons will be lit,and the Title of the midifile will also load on "Song" on the KB LCD screen, upper left.
You can hit "Play" and sing along with the music without hitting the lefthand chords. However, you can also play and sing live by hitting the "Start" button and play left hand chords or use both hands as you so desire.
You would save all of the above in "Registration" in a folder for each song which can be created on a floppy, flash drive, or hard drive for your KB.
Hope this helps. Anyhow, it works for me.
And also this one !!
2. In professional midis, channel 5 used to be "set aside" or reserved for harmony. Have your firend overdub in track 5 the chords to the song using something like a piano voice with the volume set to 0 and then set the harmonizer to look at that channel/track. Sometimes a existing guitar or piano part may have enough chords for the harmonizer to follow, but not often. It will be much easier for him after he esablishes a format and sticks to it and it only takes a few minutes.
I hope you are better informed now.
Please let us know how you get on.
Regards,
Tony
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Post by shyamwestwind on Jun 3, 2007 18:33:15 GMT
Thank you Tony for getting to the bottom of all this. Now I know I can get vocal harmony out of the Midi file with a few inputs and manupualations. I need time to figure out all the tech stuff, but I will, in time.
Thank you too arman - you put the question of possibilities in Tony's mind and see what Tony has come up with.
Gosh this Forum is so helpful. I'm truly indebted .
Thanks again guys
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Post by arman on Jun 7, 2007 11:03:19 GMT
Well done Tony for coming up with the definitive answer. I'm not a singer so it's not something I've tried, but an interesting concept.
Mike
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Post by bri on Jun 7, 2007 21:30:54 GMT
Ah, but can it do the vocal harmonies between the lines in a song such as "Fun Fun Fun?" That WOULD be clever. Maybe it can?  I have to say I think I prefer live (I think).  Bri |
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