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Post by shyamwestwind on Mar 11, 2009 19:02:36 GMT
hHi JohnG and jazzcat, could you let me know if its possible to edit an event in CWPA . For example if I find the expression or velocity of the cymbals too strong, in a Midi file and lets assuume that the cymbal corresponds to the F3 note on the keyboard in the Dum channel NO.10,, and lets say the velocity was 100, how can I bring it down to 60 . Doing it event by event is next to impossible and might take a whole day. There must be a way to select the F3 event , whenever it occurs in the entire song and the bring the value down entirely.
Ihope I've explained what I'm looking for............ please educate me on this.
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Post by simmo123 on Mar 12, 2009 4:59:49 GMT
 Hi John or Jazz,re Shyams query about reducing the velocity on pecussion instruments i have wondered if it is possible to reduce or increase the velocity in one hit because as Shyam said it would be a nightmare trying to do it individually,at the moment i am only altering the count in notes which is minimal only just a few notes but it would be great to say for instance to bring up the velocity of the cymbals all of the way through the song in a couple of functions,as Shyam asks is this possible ??,iwill keep an eye on this post with interest, Simmo
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Post by JohnG on Mar 12, 2009 9:50:29 GMT
Hi Shyam and Terry, Must admit I haven't tried doing this for a single drum note but I will take a look. I seem to remember that you asked this ages ago Shyam, but I lost the thread it was posted in and forgot the details. My apologies. The first thing you will need is this table of note name and octave against MIDI note numbers for CakeWalk.  You will see why when we get to the tutorial! Regards, JohnG. |
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Post by moonie on Mar 12, 2009 11:20:44 GMT
Hey shyamwestwind, a simple solution to this is
1/ open the drum track in "piano roll" view
2/ click in the left hand panel on the note or in this case drum sound, you will notice if you scroll across that all the events of that pitch have been selected
3/ Menu: Edit / Scale Velocity, tick Percentages then place a value in begin and end, ok
using this method all cymbals will be reduced in relation to others ie louder ones will still be louder but not by as much, you can refine this method by including the Menu: select / by filter otion and setting values to select only cymbals of velocities between specific values ie 100 -127 and the scale those, that way quiet cymbals will not be lost... good luck I'm sure JohnG will give you a blow by blow run down, he's awesome at that!
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Post by freeway on Mar 12, 2009 12:11:18 GMT
Well guys the way I find easiest is first of all find the note no. you wanna change which in this example is f3......the midi is obviously loaded here click Edit/Select All /Process /Interpolate now to save time on the bottom right click none this will clear everything as you only need now to click on the note box.........change the notes there to f3 on each box left side only...leave the right boxes adjacent alone for now ...click ok and another window will pop up if need be just type in f3 again in both on left side again and in the right boxes (velocity) just type in the amount you require in both boxes in this case 60 ........so all your f3 notes are now 60 vel........you can also specify in the second pop up window the duration of these changes......works fine for me anyway .......regards....Barry  |
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Post by JohnG on Mar 12, 2009 13:07:50 GMT
Hi Moonie and Barry, Both are good methods and I was working on screen pics of them. Now you have stolen my thunder!  The "scale velocity" method changes all "selected" notes by a fixed percentage which is IMO very useful. And a very quick and simple edit. (I'll knock up a tutorial with piccies on this method.) But what if I want to pull down the lower velocity notes by a smaller percentage than the high velocity notes? The "interpolate" method I would use in a slightly different way Barry. By selecting a "note value" (say 46 = A#3) and "velocity ranges" (say 100 to 127) in the filter window, then re-entering the note value (A#3) in the replace window and selecting lower velocities (say 90 to 110). This would reduce the highest notes (127) by about 13% but the lower ones (100) by only 10%. It would leave all notes not in the velocity range 100 to 127 untouched. More long winded certainly but giving a finer element of control. Piccies of this method done and edited. Words to be written yet. Regards, JohnG. |
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Post by shyamwestwind on Mar 12, 2009 14:10:25 GMT
Hi guys, this is getting interesting. I've always had a problem with the velocities and high volumes of drum instruments like a crash cymbal and out of sheer desperation I would just erase the entire item using the piano roll. I would've preferred to downplay the crash cymbal instead of wiping it off
Thanks Moonie, Barry and JohnG. i'm waiting to be tutored.
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Post by JohnG on Mar 12, 2009 17:58:13 GMT
Hi guys, this is getting interesting. I've always had a problem with the velocities and high volumes of drum instruments like a crash cymbal and out of sheer desperation I would just erase the entire item using the piano roll. I would've preferred to downplay the crash cymbal instead of wiping it off Thanks Moonie, Barry and JohnG. i'm waiting to be tutored. Hi Shyam, Just thought I'd give you sight of the piccies that I took today to explain the process. Tomorrow I will wipe them and post a new thread titled something like "Editing percussion velocities in CakeWalk". Maybe you can make something of them right now.          Any good to you? Sorry it has been so long in preparation. All the best, JohnG. Added later, March 13th 2009 The set of images has been moved to the new tutorial "Editing Drum Velocities in CakeWalk" also in this section. |
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Post by freeway on Mar 12, 2009 22:26:49 GMT
Excellent John.. ....the pix make it all the more clear for everyone to understand a picture paints a thousand words as they say ...........thanx regards Barry |
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Post by steveb on Mar 13, 2009 6:17:06 GMT
Thank you John, even I learnt something today, Showing the pictures makes a big difference
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Post by JohnG on Mar 13, 2009 7:26:04 GMT
Thanks Barry and Steve,
It really makes a lot of difference getting some feedback. Especially so, if I know it has worked for you. So if you try it and it works okay (of course it does ;D ) then please do let me know.
Sitting here taking screen shots, saving them as jpegs, editing them so they fit on the page, uploading them all to ImageShack, getting the URLs, pasting them into a document and then fitting explanations around them is quite a time consuming process. So it's really good to know one's efforts are worthwhile.
So, thanks again for the feedback.
Best regards,
JohnG.
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Post by shyamwestwind on Mar 13, 2009 9:16:59 GMT
JohnG, that was BRILLIANTY explained. I just kept your page open and made the hanges to a sample midi and it worked. I can now tailor the sound of the percussion instruments tha are sometimes irritatingly loud and bring them down to subtler levels nstead of erasing them out of desperation.
The images really help a lot ...........THANK YOU JohnG ..... You're a genius swetheart !!
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Post by JohnG on Mar 13, 2009 10:24:17 GMT
Great news Shyam, See also the complete explanation in the tutorial "Editing Drum Velocities in CakeWalk", here in the techie section, now completed. I am going to delete the images from here so please go there. Glad it worked Shyam. JohnG. |
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Post by JazzCat on Mar 14, 2009 1:29:11 GMT
Sitting here taking screen shots, saving them as jpegs, editing them so they fit on the page, uploading them all to ImageShack, getting the URLs, pasting them into a document and then fitting explanations around them is quite a time consuming process. So it's really good to know one's efforts are worthwhile. Don't I know it! That's why I don't have any up! And, that's why I want to move to video tutorials. If you don't screw up too many times when doing one, so you don't have to do a lot of editing, it's so much faster and easier to do. Just talk into the mic and record your screen movements. |
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Post by Steptoe on Mar 14, 2009 3:15:58 GMT
Sitting here taking screen shots, saving them as jpegs, editing them so they fit on the page, uploading them all to ImageShack, getting the URLs, pasting them into a document and then fitting explanations around them is quite a time consuming process. So it's really good to know one's efforts are worthwhile. Don't I know it! That's why I don't have any up! And, that's why I want to move to video tutorials. If you don't screw up too many times when doing one, so you don't have to do a lot of editing, it's so much faster and easier to do. Just talk into the mic and record your screen movements. Video tutorials is a great idea and as you sat Kat much easier to produce. Don't get me wrong JohnG your screenshots are invaluable and very much appreciated! Cheers JohnC |
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Post by shyamwestwind on Mar 14, 2009 5:03:11 GMT
I think the pictures are best to tutor anyone. Voice instructions from Americans and Australians would be pretty tough to understand , unless ofcourse you are a specialist in Medical Transcription !!! (he he he ........... just pulling your legs, jazzcat and steptoe )
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Post by JohnG on Mar 14, 2009 9:32:09 GMT
Well, horses for courses!
I tried video tutorials a while back and found it just too difficult. I would miss bits out and have to go back and edit the videos to include extra things, or re-record from scratch. The only way round that was to write a script, and I thought "s*d that for a game of tin soldiers!".
I tend to agree with you Shyam, many of my English class participants have difficulty with with accents, the ones you mention and (surprise, surprise), Indian, Korean, Northern Irish, Glaswegian and a few others. Of course it is just a question of what you are used to.
In the long run doing it the way I do suits me just fine. And it also allows people to pause for as long as they want over one aspect, e.g. in the "List View" window, to examine the contents (okay they can hit pause in a video). Once one gets the right pieces of software (the simple ones are the best IMO) it becomes fairly straightforward to save and edit.
My favourites (NB) for doing this are MSpaint for save as jpg, then MSphotoeditor for the image crop function.
I go through doing all the "Prt Sc"s I need for the tutorial, saving each one using Paint. When I have done all the saves, I then use PhotoEditor to adjust them to roughly 650 pixels wide by 550 deep. (I move all the pop-up windows up to top left, in the application just before I save them, so they fit.)
Then a quick session uploading them all to ImageShack, copying the "direct" URLs, as I go, into a WordPad rtf document, with suitable "img", "/img" around them, preferably in the correct order.
The last phase is writing the text around the image URLs with the occasional trip into the forum to "preview" the results. T'ain't perfect, but it seems to work for me. A simple low cost solution.
Hope that helps anyone thinking of writing a tutorial.
Best regards,
JohnG.
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Post by Steptoe on Mar 14, 2009 14:05:25 GMT
I think the pictures are best to tutor anyone. Voice instructions from Americans and Australians would be pretty tough to understand , unless ofcourse you are a specialist in Medical Transcription !!! (he he he ........... just pulling your legs, jazzcat and steptoe ) Don't get me started on Indian Call centres!!  ;D |
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Hi John or Jazz,re Shyams query about reducing the velocity on pecussion instruments i have wondered if it is possible to reduce or increase the velocity in one hit because as Shyam said it would be a nightmare trying to do it individually,at the moment i am only altering the count in notes which is minimal only just a few notes but it would be great to say for instance to bring up the velocity of the cymbals all of the way through the song in a couple of functions,as Shyam asks is this possible ??,iwill keep an eye on this post with interest, Simmo 
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