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Post by Steptoe on Jul 29, 2008 0:13:43 GMT
Hi Minutes before we were to perform. I fired aup the laptop and to my 'horror' all the files (9 songs) in the playlist, edited and saved were all 'gone'! Panic!!!! I could not recover nor could I find them. It's unlikely the files have disappeared from your computer, did you try using the windows search and typing in the song title? Chances are they've gone to another folder
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Post by souwalker on Jul 29, 2008 0:33:26 GMT
Hi Minutes before we were to perform. I fired aup the laptop and to my 'horror' all the files (9 songs) in the playlist, edited and saved were all 'gone'! Panic!!!! I could not recover nor could I find them. It's unlikely the files have disappeared from your computer, did you try using the windows search and typing in the song title? Chances are they've gone to another folder The files were still in my folders but the files that were in Vanbasco's playlist where the edits were made to the files were gone. Only edited files in the playlist can be saved to the list. Unfortunately Vanbasco does not saved those changes to the files itself or allows any 'Save As' function. So the files we edited and saved in the playlist was gone so I had to reimport the originals (with no edits done) and had to edit them in such a hurry before the performance :-( Pat
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Post by JazzCat on Jul 29, 2008 5:43:18 GMT
There is absolutely no software that will even out the volumes on a group of MIDI files. Oh sure, there are batch converters that will change all the volumes on all tracks of all files in a folder but that will hardly solve your problem. As a matter of fact, it would probably cause you even more headaches. The reason is that every MIDI file has its own 'personality'. And, there are a number of factors in a file that control the 'loudness' of a particular file. Sure, Channel Volume is one, but there is also Expression, Note Velocities, and that fact that different patches are louder or softer than other patches. Not only that, but as you add more tracks to a file the cumulative 'loudness' grows. With all setting the same, 16 track big band file is going to sound 'louder' that one with only piano, bass and drums. There simply is no easy way out. If you want it done right you will have to make all of your changes individually. I also suggest you save any and all changes under a different file name in case you make a mistake that you discover much later on. I suggest you purchase an inexpensive REAL sequencing program that will do what you need done and save those changes permanently. Vanbasco, as you have discovered, isn't it. Power Tracks pro isn't all that expensive and neither is GN MIDI. There is a 9 dollar program out there that puts the free program, (Jazzware) on this site to shame. (I could not fine a way to uninstall Jazzware and so it lingers on my system) Ii will cost you a whole $9.00. Yep, you read right! Nine U.S. dollars. At today's exchange rate that translates into 9.40338 AUD www.spacetoads.com/(The following is taken from the SpaceToad site) The Space Toad MIDI Sequencer is a classical multitrack sequencer for Windows 2000/XP/Vista, designed to be lightweight, easy to install and easy to use. Version 1.1.6 - Now up to four MIDI outputs possible. Most important features are: 64 tracks with 6 adjustable real-time parameters Mute & Solo options Standard MIDI File Import & Export Time Signature changes are fully supported Real-time Tempo Recording Support for MIDI clips Matrix Editor with self-adjusting zoom levels List Editor Editing of Lyrics, Text & SysEx Events Virtual Keyboard (Piano Roll) Graphical editing of controller events Step recording Quantize function Logical Filter & Logical Transform Visual Swing & Accentuation Designer Automatic Mixdown / Remix feature
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Post by JazzCat on Jul 29, 2008 6:02:29 GMT
i used to use a midifile player (hardware) the yamaha mdf2 this plays midifiles from a floppy using a sound module attached to it Well I'll be darned. I have a Yamaha md f3 ! One model newer than yours. Have had it for about 10 or 11 years now. I used to use it hooked up to my Alesis QS6.1 synth. Just recently I had to drag it out and use it for a couple of things when I didn't have access to a laptop.
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Post by JohnG on Jul 29, 2008 7:27:43 GMT
That looks a nice little program JazzCat, I know you've mentioned it before, maybe not here. I notice they now say it works on win2k so I might give it a little try. Nine bucks! Can't complain at that. I notice it too is made here in (at the moment) sunny Deutschland. There's a lot of good stuff coming out of Germany at the moment. Some very inventive and industrious people here.
Patrick, the offer still holds if you want some files edited, I know you've got a deadline but if you want to drip feed them to me with a note that says e.g. overall volume up a bit, or a lot, or whatever, I can make a start. Your call.
Best regards, JohnG.
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Post by souwalker on Jul 30, 2008 1:12:08 GMT
I suggest you purchase an inexpensive REAL sequencing program that will do what you need done and save those changes permanently. Vanbasco, as you have discovered, isn't it. Power Tracks pro isn't all that expensive and neither is GN MIDI. I do have Power Tracks but I don't have enough midi knowledge to make any sort of edit to velocities, events etc. They are all foreign to me :-( I can remove unwanted tracks etc but I don't know how to adjust velocities etc. Hence I cannot at this stage make any backup of already edited files to our liking and then use them as backups too abd only use Vanbasco as a player only. Rgds Pat
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Post by souwalker on Jul 30, 2008 1:13:36 GMT
Patrick, the offer still holds if you want some files edited, I know you've got a deadline but if you want to drip feed them to me with a note that says e.g. overall volume up a bit, or a lot, or whatever, I can make a start. Your call. Best regards, JohnG. Hi John Thanks. I'll email you files abit at a time. You're a champ!! Rgds Pat
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Post by souwalker on Jul 30, 2008 1:25:53 GMT
Looks like a neat little program but since my velocity or events editing knowledge is 'zero' how will this program help? I don't even know where to go to do those changes and what to do :-( I am desparately willing to learn, though..... Rgds Pat
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Post by thingyy on Jul 30, 2008 2:42:03 GMT
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Post by thingyy on Jul 30, 2008 2:46:37 GMT
Are you playing in stereo or mono ?
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Post by souwalker on Jul 30, 2008 3:11:12 GMT
Are you playing in stereo or mono ? Not sure actually. Why? Pat
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Post by thingyy on Jul 30, 2008 3:32:33 GMT
Because most midis are set up for stereo,and if played in mono will have volume differences due to non-panning. So is your Amp mono or stereo ?
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Post by thingyy on Jul 30, 2008 4:03:10 GMT
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Post by Steptoe on Jul 30, 2008 9:53:39 GMT
Because most midis are set up for stereo,and if played in mono will have volume differences due to non-panning. So is your Amp mono or stereo ? I run all my Midi's into a single channel of my PA which is mono, everything is panned centre, never had any problems with volume differences!
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Post by thingyy on Jul 30, 2008 11:19:04 GMT
Because you have panned them centre.Most commercial midis are stereo panned.
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Post by gibbo on Jul 30, 2008 15:07:49 GMT
And... many multi-voice sounds are actually in stereo so panning them center and taking just one side of the stereo to your mixer can effectively lose you half of a stereo sound. Roland drumkits (and many others) are usually in stereo, if you listen to a tom figure and hear decreasing levels as the toms change, you have a stereo mix on the kit. If you only have one input for your module, pan everything to one side, or use both outputs of the module. Cheers, Dave.
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Post by souwalker on Jul 31, 2008 0:52:05 GMT
My amp is stereo and I think all played in stereo. I don't do this full-time so can't write it off tax :-) Don't have an ABN too. pat
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Post by souwalker on Jul 31, 2008 0:54:25 GMT
And... many multi-voice sounds are actually in stereo so panning them center and taking just one side of the stereo to your mixer can effectively lose you half of a stereo sound. Roland drumkits (and many others) are usually in stereo, if you listen to a tom figure and hear decreasing levels as the toms change, you have a stereo mix on the kit. If you only have one input for your module, pan everything to one side, or use both outputs of the module. Cheers, Dave. SD80 have L/R output to the L/R input on our mixer and that's how it's connected, so safe to say in stereo. Laptop uses usb cable to the SD80. Pat
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Post by JazzCat on Jul 31, 2008 9:54:33 GMT
John, Glad you are helping Pat with the files. I just don't have the time. Got a load of folks asking for edits right now. Space Toad used to be completely free. The compatibility with Vista OS is new, and so is the 9 buck charge LOL. Pat, I'll be glad to help you learn and so will quite a number of people here. I like to see performers become able to do their own edits and even their own sequencing! Although I have PowerTracks Pro, I don't have it installed. No room on my drive for it, or for Sonar. :-( I use a program that costs under 20 bucks for the downloadable version. If you don't need lyrics in your files, and are willing to get it, I can teach you all you need to know, in live time communication through Yahoo Messenger. If you are interested let me know via a private message, and I'll reply with what we need to do to 'git er dun'. Here's the link to the prg I use. Make sure you do not look at ' Standard'. www.turtlebeach.com/products/record-producer-midi/home.aspx
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Post by JohnG on Jul 31, 2008 17:22:57 GMT
And don't forget the sysex commands too JazzCat. LOL. I've just popped in a MIDI master volume sysex in them all in the 1st measure and tweaked it to get all the tracks (I mean songs) approximately equal in level. Just waiting to hear from Patrick whether they're okay. Good old XG works, pop up the menu, set the midi time, select "sysex command", select "GM", then "realtime", insert "master volume". Change the value "in decimal" (no hex needed). Easy-peasy. You could be SysExJazzCat with XGworks! JohnG.
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